FILE - In this Nov. 16, 2019, file photo, Stanford head coach David Shaw looks on during the first half of an NCAA college football game against Washington State in Pullman, Wash. Colleges around the country finished off their football signing classes this week, proudly touting scores of African-American athletes as their next big stars. A review of all 130 FBS schools found shockingly low numbers, with blacks still largely shut out of head coaching positions and even more so the prime coordinator spots.   (AP Photo/Young Kwak, File)
FILE - In this Nov. 16, 2019, file photo, Stanford head coach David Shaw looks on during the first half of an NCAA college football game against Washington State in Pullman, Wash. Colleges around the country finished off their football signing classes this week, proudly touting scores of African-American athletes as their next big stars. A review of all 130 FBS schools found shockingly low numbers, with blacks still largely shut out of head coaching positions and even more so the prime coordinator spots. (AP Photo/Young Kwak, File)

Stanford football coach David Shaw, the head of the NCAA’s rules committee, says having defensive players fake injuries to slow down offenses is cheating, plain and simple.

On the latest AP Top 25 College Football Podcast, Shaw joins the AP’s Ralph Russo to discuss myriad topics, from preparing a team during a pandemic to transfer rules.

Shaw explains the rules committee’s push to clean up what he views as an integrity issue in college football. Some coaches are teaching players to feign injuries as a way to allow a defense to regroup. Shaw says in-game penalties would be difficult to implement, but maybe conference-level discipline could be used if the practice doesn’t stop.

Plus, how Stanford can use the worst season of Shaw's nine-year tenure as a springboard to Pac-12 North contention — whenever the next season is played.

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